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Episode 22: Emmy Nominee Jared Harris Reads: Wait, What? A Closing Statement

As I walk into Department 109 of the Criminal Courts Building, I hear the following words and my ears prick up: IT WASN’T UNTIL THE REIGN OF RICHARD THE FIRST, WHO YOU PROBABLY KNOW AS RICHARD THE LIONHEARTED, THAT THIS CONCEPT THAT A PERSON ACCUSED OF A CRIME MUST BE PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL THE CONTRARY IS PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT BECAME THE LAW. I’m a history buff, and so I am intrigued to find out what this is all about. I will later...

Podcast 21: Jonathan Tropper, Banshee

Kary: This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and Justice are told. Today’s podcast is a conversation with Jonathan Tropper. Jonathan and I met when he pitched me an idea for a Cinemax show called Banshee. We worked together on that series and on his most recent Cinemax series Warrior. I asked Jonathan to join me for this conversation for two reasons: First, Banshee explores ideas of crime and justice in ways that are...

Podcast 20: Molly Miller Reads: It’s Kind of Like a Heist… Or Dodgeball

It’s kind of like a heist — think Ocean’s Eleven. You assemble a rag-tag team of 12 to 14 professionals to carry out your operation. There’s just one problem: they have no skills. Even if they do, they are expressly forbidden from using their skills during the heist. They can’t research the heist online or talk to reporters about the heist. It’s really best if they don’t know anything about the heist before it begins.  That’s jury duty: a random selection of citizens without specialized legal knowledge who are assembled to...

Episode 19: Steve Zaillian, The Night Of

This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and justice are told. Today’s podcast is a conversation with Steve Zaillian. Steve won an Oscar for writing the screenplay for Schindler’s List and won a Directors Guild Award for his miniseries The Night Of. The conversation was recorded as part of a series of classes that I taught at The University of Southern California’s School of Cinematic Arts. Each week I would host an artist for...

Podcast 18: Kary Antholis reads: The Chrissy Teigen Tweet and Trump’s Turn Away from...

Does President Trump’s Twitter tirade taunting Chrissy Teigen (and her husband, musician/activist John Legend) suggest a shift in his administration’s narrative regarding criminal justice reform? Trump’s four tweet lament (pleading that he gets no credit for the reform legislation that passed last year, while undeserving others take that credit) reeked of resentment, jealousy and recrimination, and may be the latest in a series of signals that – as we move into an election year – he is abandoning the “Reform” mantle in favor of a punitive, retributive “law and order” narrative.

Podcast 17: Ken White Reads: Felicity Huffman’s Smarter Choices

Last week, federal prosecutors asked United States District Judge Indira Talwani to impose a one-month jail sentence on actress Felicity Huffman, who pleaded guilty to mail fraud last May in “Operation Varsity Blues,” the bribery investigation that rendered Americans even more cynical about college admissions.  It’s a light sentence for a hefty nationwide scandal, and she probably won’t even serve it.  Huffman admitted guilt immediately, apologized repeatedly, and — with the exception of a somewhat tin-eared and self-pitying sentencing submission — has made every right move to maximize her chance of a sentence...

Podcast 16: Chris Tarricone Reads: The Challenges of Defending the Alleged “Hollywood Ripper”

Defense attorney Dale Rubin often jokes around in the Criminal Courts Building, perhaps to keep his mind off of the challenges of defending Michael Gargiulo on two counts of capital murder. One time, he even played around with a mannequin (which was to serve as a model for a stabbing victim) with his adversary, prosecutor Garrett Dameron. Today, the two discuss baseball no-hitters and laugh in the courthouse hallway as they make their way toward Department 106. For now, the men seem to be good friends just shooting the bull, but, in five minutes,...

Episode 15: Molly Miller Reads: The Matter of the Intersex Shooting

Editor’s Note: Out of respect for the privacy of some of the people depicted in this story, the defendant and the victim's names have been changed. All usernames altered. All identifying details erased. Deputy District Attorney Allyson Ostroswki begins her second day of cross-examination. Her tone is casual as she poses her first question, “In addition to having a vagina you also have what you describe as a small penis?” The defendant, Jackson Wilson, looks up from his wheelchair. He nods his head,  “Yes.”

Episode 14: Ed Bernero, Criminal Minds — Part 2

In part two of the interview with Ed Bernero we zero in on two of the show’s episodes to discuss how the details of their creation offer us broader insights into the creative process that Ed established on the show. We also hear Ed’s answers to questions posed by USC students. Kary: This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why stories of crime and justice are told. Today’s podcast is the second part of a two-part conversation with...

Episode 13: Molly Miller Reads: Twenty Four Hopeful Young Faces Went Pale

Deputy District Attorney Chelsea Blatt addresses the jury in her closing argument. Her first words are: “What you saw yesterday was not normal.” I know. I was there. The first abnormality appeared minutes before the trial began. Twenty-four high school students filed into the courtroom at 9:30 am, announced by their well-postured leader as members of UCLA’s mock trial camp. The boys wore sneakers while the girls tottered in their shiny patent leather heels. These brace-faced, bespectacled young adults were a shining example of professional courtesy. Their phones...

Episode 12: Amanda Knox Reads: Expressions of Guilt

A young man is on trial for murder. His defense says he’s being railroaded. The prosecution paints him as a deceiving psychopath. Is he lying when he says he wasn’t there that night? We don’t have to look into his eyes to figure that out; the Emotion Recognition System does that for us. With dozens of cameras; thermal, pulse, and respiration measurements; sophisticated facial expression recognition algorithms, with billions of hours of human observation as background data; and thousands of hours of specific observation of this one defendant (from his time in police...

Episode 11: Sean Smith Reads: The McDonald’s Uniform and the Scalded Child

In the fifth-floor hallway, a middle-aged white guy is speaking into his iPhone. Late 40s, ruddy, he looks like someone you’d stand behind in line for beer at a Dodgers game. “I mistakenly fucked up,” he confides, “so I’m sorry….” Mistake. Fuck up. Sorry. The mea culpas pile up like cars on a fog-shrouded Interstate 5. Apologies are par for the course in the Criminal Courts Building. The Department 30 gallery is packed with mothers and sons, husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, all eager for information, explanations, closure. They’re lucky if they get a quick...

Episode 10: Ed Bernero, Criminals Minds — Part 1

Part one of a conversation with the co-creator of Third Watch and Executive Producer and founding showrunner of Criminal Minds. We hear about Ed’s unusual path into storytelling, covering how came to run the show and how he built the story mythology that has allowed Criminal Minds to achieve global financial success. Kary: This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and justice are told. Today’s podcast is part one of a...

Episode 9: Vince Gilligan and Michelle MacLaren, Breaking Bad – Part 2

In Part Two of the podcast we talk about the actors and zero in on two of the show’s episodes to discuss how the details of their creation offer us broader insights into the unique creative process behind this television masterpiece. Kary: This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and justice are told. Today’s podcast is Part Two of a two part conversation with Vince Gilligan, the creator and showrunner...

Episode 8: Vince Gilligan and Michelle MacLaren, Breaking Bad – Part 1

Kary: This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and justice are told. Today’s podcast is part one of a two part conversation with Vince Gilligan, the creator and showrunner of one of the great series in television history, Breaking Bad and one of his key collaborators on that series, director/executive producer Michelle MacLaren. The conversation was recorded as part of a series of classes that I taught at The University of...

Episode 7: Molly Miller Reads Strong Female Lead

It’s almost like a gritty, high-octane action flick. The female lead is a young prostitute and this is the climax of her narrative arc. After years of being mentally and physically abused by her pimp, they get into one last altercation outside of a bank. The pimp punches her face, elbows her eye and slams a car door on her head. She fights back — teeth, nails, everything she’s got — and manages to knock him to the ground. Then she gets into the car and looks at her pimp through the windshield....

Episode 6: Molly Miller Reads The Bullet and the Door (Martinez 1)

My mother always said there are two sides to every story. In this story, there are two sides to the same door. It’s the wooden front door of the Martinez two-bedroom, one-story residence in Montebello, California. On one side of the door, a shot was fired. On the other side, a man was killed. Outside of the door, on the evening of October 28, 2014, 45-year-old Pomona Police Officer Shaun Diamond was called to take part in a SWAT operation. His team was tasked with serving a search warrant to...

Episode 5: Sarah Koenig and Julie Snyder, Serial

Longtime members of the team at This American Life and co-creators of the Podcast series Serial - Koenig and Snyder discuss their careers and influences with a particular focus on Season 3 of Serial, a deep dive into the criminal justice system in and around Cleveland Ohio. Kary: This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and justice are told.   Today’s podcast is a conversation with longtime members of the team...

Episode 4: Amanda Knox Reads The Injustice of Nancy Grace

Listen to Amanda Knox read the article that she wrote with Christopher Robinson for crimestory.com In Oxygen’s Injustice with Nancy Grace, Grace promises to investigate “cases that inspire other victims to believe it ain’t over yet. Somebody still cares.” In other words, Grace is reprising her self-appointed role of “voice of the victim,” and presumably ― Grace says the show will focus on wrongful accusations and botched investigations ― she’s finally including wrongly convicted people within that definition. If so, it’s a big step for Grace, who historically has treated people...

Episode 3: Paul Butler, Georgetown Law

Professor Butler offers his perspective on my interview with Attorney General William Barr. Guest: Georgetown Law Professor Paul Butler Kary:  This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis, where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and justice are told.   Paul Butler:  The Attorney General appears to me to endorse torture… I understand that when we see a bad guy get his just desserts, in an extra-legal way, it might fulfill some kind...

Episode 2: Attorney General William Barr

A conversation with Mr. Barr about how his thinking about criminal justice issues has evolved since he first served as Attorney General in the early 1990s, as well as a conversation about the themes of justice as depicted in popular culture. Guest: United States Attorney General William Barr Kary:  This is the Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how and why narratives of crime and justice are told.   Attorney General Barr:  …...

Episode 1: In Cold Blood

Truman Capote's In Cold Blood and the Richard Brooks film adaptation of Capote's "non-fiction novel" are watershed moments in crime storytelling. With guests Howard Rodman and Ted Braun, Professors at USC School of Cinematic Arts. Guests: USC Professors Howard Rodman and Ted Braun Kary Antholis:  This is The Crime Story Podcast with Kary Antholis where we have conversations about how narratives of crime and justice are told.  Today’s podcast is a conversation with Howard Rodman and Ted Braun about the...

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