Following on my four-part interview with the Creator of The Wire, David Simon (which you can find links to here), today’s podcast is a conversation with his frequent collaborator, George Pelecanos. George is one of the great detective novelists of his generation and the executive producer several HBO dramas including The Wire and The Deuce the latter of which he co-created with David Simon. 

The conversation was recorded as part of a series of classes that I taught at The University of Southern California’s School of Cinematic Arts. Each week I would host an artist for a discussion that would help us better understand their values and aims as storytellers in the world of crime and justice. In this conversation, George and I discussed the people and forces that shaped his creative thinking, and we zeroed in on his experiences writing detective fiction and then collaborating with David Simon in shaping the series that became The Wire.

You can find a transcript of the interview here.